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The Score

July 07, 2026 • 26m

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Overview

Philosophy professor C.T. Nguyen joins Roman Mars to discuss his book 'The Score: How to Stop Playing Someone Else's Game,' exploring how metrics and scoring systems shape our lives. Nguyen introduces the concept of 'value capture'—when simplified, quantified versions of our values take over our richer, more nuanced goals. The conversation examines the paradox of scoring systems: they create beautiful, joyful experiences in games but often drain meaning from work, education, and parenting. Through examples ranging from philosophy journal rankings to fly fishing, Nguyen reveals how we can recognize when we're playing someone else's game and reclaim agency over the metrics that govern our lives.

The Crisis of Academic Metrics and Value Capture

C.T. Nguyen opens with his personal crisis in academia, where success became defined by publishing in top-ranked philosophy journals rather than pursuing genuine curiosity. This led him to develop the concept of 'value capture'—when institutions or technologies feed us simplified, quantified versions of our values that eventually take over. He illustrates this with everyday examples like screen time metrics, showing how these crude measurements flatten the nuanced reality of what we actually care about.

  • Nguyen nearly quit philosophy after 10 years because success was measured by journal rankings rather than curiosity and meaningful inquiry
  • Value capture occurs when rich, subtle values get replaced by simplified, quantified versions in institutional or technological settings
  • Screen time is a poor metric that treats reading Kant on an iPad the same as watching mindless videos
  • A child's screen time can range from learning geopolitics to building coded logic gates in Minecraft versus watching dumb clicker games—all counted equally
" I was so bored with what I was writing because I was trying to go up this list and so miserable that I was going to quit the profession after having burned 10 years in it. "
" What's determining how a lot of us parent is just that screen time happens to be an easy thing for our devices to measure automatically without any particular input from us. "

Why Value Capture Is So Seductive

Nguyen explores why we're drawn to metrics despite their reductive nature. He identifies two key reasons: metrics shelter us from difficult existential decisions by providing clear, automated answers, and they make us instantly comprehensible to others. Using his experience with yo-yoing as an example, he shows how activities without clear metrics seem frivolous to others, while those with scores and records gain instant legitimacy.

  • Life presents nauseating value clashes daily—time with kids versus hobbies versus work—but metrics automate these decisions and shelter us from existential storms
  • Metrics make us comprehensible and communicable to others at scale, providing instant social validation
  • Adult yo-yoing seems like a joke at dinner parties because it lacks understandable metrics, despite being intricate and sophisticated
  • Metrics make you understood instantly at scale, even if deeper explanations would be more meaningful
" If you automate it, if you decide there's only one thing that's important and that everything feeds into that thing in a mechanically measurable way, suddenly you're sheltered from the existential storm. You're safe. "

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