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Jane Wurwand, co-founder of Dermalogica, joins Guy Raz on the How I Built This Advice Line to counsel three entrepreneurs building consumer brands. She emphasizes the enduring importance of education, community-building, and focusing deeply on a niche market before expanding. The episode features calls from founders seeking guidance on scaling sustainably, shifting consumer mindsets, and deciding when to expand product lines.
Jane Wurwand's Journey and Philosophy
Jane Wurwand shares her remarkable journey from Scotland to California, where she and her husband Raymond built Dermalogica from $14,000 in self-funding to a global skincare empire acquired by Unilever in 2015. She emphasizes that despite launching with 27 products simultaneously, their laser focus on skincare education and building genuine relationships with customers was fundamental to their success. Jane argues that while technology has changed, the core principles of business remain the same - education builds trust, and trust comes before the sale.
- Jane's mother told her daughters to develop a skill so they would never have to depend on a man, leading Jane to become a skin therapist
- Dermalogica launched with 27 products because skincare required a complete regimen, not just one miracle product
- The company was built with $14,000 in self-funding and never took outside funding or debt until acquisition
- Jane would take the exact same education-focused approach if starting today, despite the different landscape
" Focus, focus, focus. We didn't introduce makeup. We didn't introduce hair products. We didn't introduce nail products. Everyone told us diversify, spread your love. No, no, no. Skincare, skincare, skincare. "
" Tell, don't sell. You're not ready to sell until I am ready to buy. And the way I would be ready to buy as a consumer is I want to want your product. "
" The plumbing's different, but it's exactly the same stuff coming through it. "
Chunky Vegan: Scaling Premium Baby Food
Camille Hardy from Leesburg, Virginia seeks advice on scaling her farm-to-table baby food brand, Chunky Vegan, while maintaining quality and sustainability standards. She sells fresh, plant-based baby food in glass jars at farmers markets and daycares, with a four-day refrigerated shelf life. Jane and Guy advise her to focus locally on high-end niche retailers rather than major supermarkets, emphasize education about nutrient density, and consider frozen distribution to extend shelf life while preserving quality.
- Chunky Vegan offers farm-fresh, plant-based baby food with no preservatives, sold in glass jars with a four-day refrigerated shelf life
- Camille charges $12 for six ounces, positioning as a premium brand serving health-conscious parents
- Jane advises targeting small, high-end health food stores like Erewhon rather than big supermarkets like Kroger or Whole Foods
- Guy suggests considering frozen section distribution or high-pressure processing to extend shelf life while maintaining nutrients
- The brand launched in July 2024 after a year of customer surveys and case studies to refine meal offerings
" If we sell it, it's good for you. I feel like that is an outlet that you could target. Maybe not yet, but that should be in your sights. "
" Don't go anywhere near a Kroger or even a Whole Foods yet. Not yet. Not now. Because they could eat you alive with the terms they would want, the amount of product you'd have to supply, and you would be carrying the cost of that until they paid. "
" This is not actually a baby food. This is a healthy start to your child's life. "
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