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No Such Thing As A Fish
No Such Thing As A Fish

No Such Thing As Debreadtion

January 22, 2026 • 59m

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Overview

A fascinating exploration of music industry contracts, architectural puns, military bogs, and internet pizza delivery history. The hosts dive into TLC's hostage negotiation, Tokyo's punny Skytree, NATO's bog defense strategy, and the first online pizza order that attracted 100 journalists only to arrive cold.

TLC's Record Label Hostage Situation

The discussion opens with the story of how R&B group TLC held their record label head Clive Davis hostage to renegotiate their contract after making only $50,000 each despite their album generating $75 million. Lisa 'Left Eye' Lopez brought associates from her time in rehab (following an arson incident at her boyfriend's house) to station outside Davis's office with guns. The hosts explore the predatory nature of 1990s record contracts and similar tactics used in the music industry, including Don Arden's infamous reputation as a gangster record executive.

  • TLC's album sold over 10 million copies and generated $75 million, but each member only received $50,000
  • Lisa Left Eye Lopez had associates from court-mandated rehab station outside Clive Davis's office during the hostage negotiation
  • Lopez had previously accidentally burned down her boyfriend's house after setting his sneakers on fire in a cheap fiberglass bathtub
  • Don Arden, Sharon Osbourne's father, allegedly had the Small Faces dangled upside down from an upper floor balcony to get them to sign
" I have locked the doors preemptively. "
" These women brought guns. It wasn't like a nice little hostage situation, you know, a nice hostage situation. "

Music Industry Contracts and Exploitation

The conversation expands to broader issues of artist exploitation in the music industry. The hosts discuss how Ray was trapped in a four-album deal for seven years, K-pop's intense contract system, and how New Jeans' contract dispute even reached South Korean parliament. Historical examples include predatory 1990s contracts where labels would advance money that artists had to pay back, often leaving them in debt despite commercial success.

  • Ray was prevented from releasing an album for seven years despite being signed to a four-album deal
  • In K-pop, artists often start at age 13 in what's essentially a boarding school system with long-term contract obligations
  • New Jeans' contract dispute became significant enough to be discussed in South Korean parliament
  • The first person to get a music royalty was Albert Chevalier in 1891, earning one shilling per dozen records sold
" Sometimes violence is... I don't know where I'm going. "

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