Summary
Overview
Alex Wagner talks with MSNBC's Chris Hayes about the 2026 Democratic midterms, progressive primary victories, the role of AIPAC money in Democratic races, and how the party should navigate media strategy and masculinity politics heading into 2028. They discuss recent wins by Abdul El-Sayed in Michigan and other progressive candidates, the influence of new media figures like Hasan Piker, and the challenges facing Democrats in swing states.
Progressive Primary Victories and the Michigan Race
Chris Hayes and Alex Wagner examine the significance of Abdul El-Sayed's narrow primary victory in Michigan's Senate race, despite being outspent by establishment-backed opponent Haley Stevens. Hayes argues this represents a major shift in what's considered electable, as El-Sayed ran as an unabashed progressive in a swing state and won against $60 million in outside spending. They discuss his theory of economic populism as a way to win cross-pressured swing voters who are angry about the status quo, foreign wars, and corporate power.
- Abdul El-Sayed won a narrow primary victory despite losing to Gretchen Whitmer by 20 points in previous statewide races
- El-Sayed faced $60 million in outside spending supporting his opponent Haley Stevens, who had backing from Senator Gary Peters and Governor Whitmer
- Progressive candidates need to be exceptionally gifted communicators to succeed outside traditional political channels
- There's a real penalty for ideological extremism that even progressive leaders acknowledge
" the redefinition of what electable means is changing. And the issues that he's talking about, it's the first time I've seen a glimmer of an authentic answer to what it means to be a populist and to be on the left and take rightfully the mantle of economic populism and like really appeal to working class voters in an authentically progressive way that's like really steals it from MAGA convincingly. "
" people are pissed off the status quo. They don't like foreign wars and money going abroad. Things are too expensive. And they are enraged at the billionaires and the corporations and the tech lords that want to put data centers in their backyards. "
The Problem with Centrism and Rahm Emanuel's Critique
The discussion turns to whether centrist Democrats like Rahm Emanuel, who's likely running for president in 2028, should stop publicly criticizing the Democratic Socialists of America. Hayes argues that high-profile fights with the progressive left are counterproductive, citing the UK Labour Party's failed strategy of constantly discussing immigration and trans issues. He suggests that calling attention to progressive candidates only raises the salience of issues that might hurt moderates.
- Rahm Emanuel wrote a Wall Street Journal op-ed warning that DSA victories in safe Democratic districts put swing district candidates at a disadvantage
- Hayes argues that publicly fighting with progressives raises the salience of difficult issues rather than helping moderate candidates
- The UK Labour Party's strategy of picking high-profile fights with their left flank didn't work
" are you helping by putting more attention on it? If Ron thinks that Josh Turek is being hurt at the margin by Daria Lisa Chevalier winning her primary in Washington Heights, which is not a crazy idea. Why does talking about that in The Wall Street Journal help it? "
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