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Jordan Harbinger interviews electronic music producer Cascade, who has been making music for over 30 years and has 18 Grammy nominations. They discuss AI's impact on music creation, the reality of DJing and live performance, dealing with technical failures, maintaining faith in the EDM scene, and learning to savor success after decades of relentless ambition. Cascade shares candid stories about everything from generator fires at the LA Coliseum to teaching early morning seminary while touring the world.
AI in Music: The Promise and the Theft
Cascade discusses his evolving perspective on AI in music, acknowledging its nuanced role in an industry already built on technology. While AI can assist with mundane production tasks, he's concerned that AI models have learned from his 30 years of work without compensation. He draws a line between using AI as a tool and replacing the human creative process entirely, emphasizing that collaboration with real people remains central to his work.
- AI models have likely trained on Cascade's entire catalog without payment or permission
- Electronic music production already involves significant machine assistance and synthesis
- AI-generated music often sounds good because it's learned from music people already like
- Major AI song became a massive hit by essentially remixing existing popular elements
- Cascade was offered money for his podcast audio archive but declined due to rights concerns
" I think the important thing that I will say is I want to sit in a room with you and be like, hey, man, what's going on in your life? Oh, wow, hey, that's an idea for a song. Okay, let's write some lyrics down. Oh, you want to pull up like Claude or something to help us work through these lyrics? Like, all right, cool, man. I'm down with that. "
" There's no question in my mind that these models have learned off of my 30 years of experience. It's dissecting my music and it's, hey, man, what's up with that? I don't know. I haven't got a check in the mail. "
Performing While Sick: The Show Must Go On
Cascade reveals what happens when you're deathly ill but have thousands of fans waiting. He describes performing with 105-degree fevers, profuse sweating, and food poisoning by relying on modern medicine, IV treatments, and massive doses of caffeine. The key is timing the medical intervention to last just long enough to get through the show, then collapsing for days of recovery afterward.
- Performed in San Francisco with high fever after two days in bed, then recovered for two more days
- Used emergency IV treatments in Vegas before Red Rocks shows when suffering food poisoning
- Medical staff can administer anti-nausea medication that lasts 2-3 hours—just enough for a show
- In club settings, you can hide illness better than other performance formats
- Has been fortunate to only have a handful of these extreme situations over decades of performing
" I've had like 105 fever and been on stage like profusely sweating through my pants. My legs are sweating. Fortunately, in my world, I can put on a beanie and just wear a hat and just be like, okay. "
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