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This episode features an in-depth interview with Sarah Sackman, Justice Minister and MP for Finchley and Golders Green, recorded during the emotional week when Keir Starmer resigned as Prime Minister and Andy Burnham prepared to take over. The conversation covers Starmer's legacy and failures, the shocking murder of MP Anne Widdicombe and threats facing politicians, rising anti-Semitism in the UK, and what to expect from incoming Prime Minister Andy Burnham.
Keir Starmer's Final PMQs and Decision to Resign
Sarah Sackman reflects on the deeply moving atmosphere in the Commons during Keir Starmer's final Prime Minister's Questions, praising both his gracious departure and Kemi Badenoch's classy response. She discusses Starmer's achievements in transforming Labour into an electoral force and his domestic legacy, while acknowledging he became very unpopular. The threat of Reform UK becoming ascendant, combined with disastrous local election results, ultimately drove his decision to resign after recognizing he'd become a liability to the party.
- Starmer's final PMQs was deeply moving, with tributes highlighting his transformation of Labour and domestic achievements on child poverty, house building, and NHS waiting lists
- Starmer recognized he had become very unpopular despite his accomplishments, with local election results being dire
- The specific threat of Labour becoming 'handmaidens for Reform' was something neither Starmer nor the Parliamentary Labour Party could countenance
- Modern politics moves very fast with the rise of Reform and Greens challenging the traditional two-party system
" The last time I was on your programme, we were talking about the decision to appoint Peter Mandelson. A dreadful error, which I think, unfortunately, marred Keir's reputation because, you know, Keir's utterly decent, utterly upright and incorruptible. "
" On our manifesto in 2024, the manifesto which led to a landslide victory, which led to record swings in seats like mine, it said one word, and that was change. And part of the problem was that people in this country, as expressed through their anger at the ballot box in the local elections, were not feeling that change fast enough. "
Starmer's Leadership Failures and the Mandelson Debacle
The discussion turns critical as Sackman is pressed on Starmer's shortcomings in government, particularly the catastrophic Peter Mandelson appointment as US Ambassador. She acknowledges the lack of narrative, poor preparation for government, and maladroit political decisions like the winter fuel allowance cut. Most damningly, she criticizes how Starmer and the government ignored the concerns about Mandelson's relationship with Jeffrey Epstein, then fired civil servant Ollie Robbins who had tried to warn them - a failure of both judgment and accountability.
- Morgan McSweeney admitted there was insufficient preparation for government, leading to lack of narrative and poor political decisions
- The Peter Mandelson appointment was a dreadful error that marred Starmer's reputation for integrity
- Government turned a blind eye to Mandelson's relationship with Epstein when victims should have been paramount in their considerations
- Firing Ollie Robbins after he tried to deliver Starmer's bidding and warned about proper vetting was tasteless and showed lack of accountability
" Basically people turned a blind eye to Mandelson's relationship with Epstein. The victims of Epstein's crimes should have been paramount in those considerations. That should have been the human consideration when making a decision like that. "
" The British public ever really got to know that. But I'll go back to the sacking of Peter Mandelson and the way the government responded afterwards. The way that Keir Starmer booted out Ollie Robbins as the permanent undersecretary of the Foreign Office. I have heard from so many people inside Number 10 in government in Westminster thought it was disgraceful. "
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