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Gordon Corera reports from Estonia during a security conference, exploring tensions between the US and Europe over Russia policy, NATO's future, and intelligence sharing. The episode features conversations with journalists Shane Harris and Sean Walker, former NATO intelligence chief David Catler, and former Estonian President Tomas Ilves, examining how Baltic states perceive the Russian threat and America's wavering commitment to European defense.
US-Europe Relations Under Strain at Security Conference
The conference reveals a frosty atmosphere between US and European attendees, marking a shift from cautious optimism to resignation about changing transatlantic relations. A US undersecretary struggles to answer direct questions about defending Baltic states and calling Russia a threat, while Europeans begin arguing among themselves about defense spending. The minimal American presence and diplomatic tensions suggest a fundamental reshaping of the NATO alliance that may not reverse even with future leadership changes.
- The US sent only one speaker to the conference, an undersecretary of state many people hadn't heard of
- US official refused to explicitly say 'yes' when asked twice if America would defend a Baltic state if invaded
- Europeans began arguing publicly about defense spending, particularly questioning Spain's contributions
- Europe has been planning for 'life after America' and the relationship has fundamentally changed
" There was this real frustration. I mean, you know, the man was asked twice a very direct question. Would the US come to the defense of a Baltic state if it was invaded? And his answer did not include the word yes. "
" For one moment it seemed like Russia wasn't the main enemy of everyone in the room. "
Intelligence Sharing Despite Political Tensions
Despite political strains, intelligence cooperation between Western services remains largely functional at the working level, though concerns are growing about sharing sensitive information with the US. European intelligence officials trust the CIA and its director John Ratcliffe, but worry about information reaching the White House or FBI leadership. The professionalism of intelligence officers continues to bridge political divides, even as they grow more cautious about what they share upward through political channels.
- European services hesitate to share sensitive intelligence with Americans, fearing it could be misused by political leadership
- CIA Director John Ratcliffe is viewed as a reliable counterpart, unlike DNI Tulsi Gabbard who is 'utterly marginalized'
- Intelligence links with Ukraine remain strong despite brief interruption last spring
- Mass firings at FBI counterintelligence create reluctance to 'speak truth to power'
" There is hesitation and even suspicion on this part of some Europeans about sharing sensitive information with the Americans, not for fear that their working level colleagues will misuse it, but that something goes up the chain to the White House. "
" There's a real worry that even younger people in the intelligence community will start to think this is how it's always been, where we are just sort of like subservient to political masters and have to keep in line with the policy rather than just saying what we think the truth is. "
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