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Rory Stewart and Alistair Campbell discuss major political issues including their interview with Green Party leader Zach Polanski and debates around Modern Monetary Theory, concerns about Russian influence on UK politics particularly Reform UK, government plans to modify jury trials due to court system backlogs, climate change impacts in Southeast Asia, and Campbell's alleged 'secret plot' to rejoin the customs union. The discussion reveals deep tensions around economic policy, constitutional rights, media coverage, and the state of British democracy.
The Zach Polanski Interview Controversy and Economic Literacy
Stewart and Campbell reflect on criticism they received for their interview with Green Party leader Zach Polanski, particularly around questioning his economic knowledge. While 60% of listener feedback was positive toward Polanski, some accused the hosts of being unfair or elitist. The hosts defend their approach, arguing that if Polanski proposes radical economic changes, he must demonstrate command of basic economic facts like the top tax rate, debt interest payments, and the difference between debt and deficit. This leads to a broader discussion about how populist movements use technical economic arguments like Modern Monetary Theory to bypass traditional fiscal constraints.
- 60% of listeners responded positively to Polanski's interview performance, though some felt the hosts were patronizing or ganging up
- Polanski didn't know the top rate of tax was 45%, thought it was 40%, and confused debt with deficit
- Polanski couldn't state how much the UK pays in debt interest (£100 billion annually, double the defense budget)
- The Green Party has risen to nearly 20% in polls under Polanski's leadership, focusing less on environment and more on radical economic policies
- Chris Williamson presented 10 points on Modern Monetary Theory, arguing government debt is a misnomer and the government can create money as needed
" If you're going to sell people on saying we're going to do something that basically no government has done in Britain ever, we're going to have a completely different idea of how this economy is run, you better have your figures right, because if you're asking people to trust you to do something that's never been done before, you better be able to convince people that you're actually interested in how the economy operates. "
" The point is, do you want to have a much bigger state with much bigger government spending and much bigger government control of the economy? Or do you think it's important to leave a big space for the private sector, for competition, for innovation? That's what the discussion is. "
Russian Influence on UK Politics and Reform UK
The hosts discuss growing concerns about Russian influence on British politics, particularly connections to Reform UK and Nigel Farage. They reference the jailing of Reform MEP Nathan Gill for accepting Russian bribes and highlight investigative work by Peter Jukes and Carol Cadwalladr that has received insufficient mainstream media attention. The discussion reveals how Reform UK allegedly spent nearly £1 million on newspaper advertisements to counter negative coverage, drawing parallels to how tobacco advertising once influenced editorial decisions.
- Nathan Gill, Reform MEP, was jailed for accepting bribes from Russia but the story only lasted one day in mainstream media
- Reform UK took out double-page advertisements costing nearly £1 million in right-wing newspapers when scrutiny increased
- Peter Jukes and Carol Cadwalladr produced a 10-part podcast series 'Sergei and the Westminster Spy Ring' exposing connections
- MPs accepting paid foreign trips and serving as election observers for autocratic regimes like Azerbaijan creates conflicts of interest
- All-party parliamentary groups and lobbying create vulnerabilities for foreign influence across British politics
" Nathan Gill, that story, if that was a Labour MEP, actually probably if it was a Tory MEP or Lib Dem, we would still be talking about him today. There would still be stories about it. It was a one day wonder. "
" Why does anyone think it makes any sense for Jared Kushner to have been making billions of dollars from Gulf monarchies for his investment fund? Why does anyone think it's OK for Trump linked people to be having direct conversations with sanctioned Russian companies about grabbing rare earths? You can't negotiate in good faith if you've got the dollar signs going ka-ching. "
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