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In this episode, Alistair Campbell and Rory Stewart engage in a heated debate about the UK's response to the US-Israeli military strikes on Iran. They discuss the chaos unleashed by these attacks, examine different international leaders' reactions, analyze the legal and strategic implications, and explore potential consequences including refugee crises and regional destabilization. The conversation reveals deep disagreements about whether Prime Minister Keir Starmer handled the situation correctly, with broader discussions about international law, UK-US relations, and the unpredictability of Trump's foreign policy.
The Iranian Crisis and International Response
The hosts open by discussing the widespread chaos caused by Iran launching missiles and drones at multiple countries across the Middle East, including Israel, Bahrain, Kuwait, Qatar, UAE, Jordan, Saudi Arabia, and Cyprus. They emphasize that this crisis was triggered by US and Israeli actions, not by an imminent Iranian threat. The discussion highlights how Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth's inflammatory rhetoric dismisses international law and rules of engagement, setting a dangerous precedent.
- Iran is launching missiles at approximately 14 countries in the Middle East, creating unprecedented regional chaos
- If Russia were doing what Iran is doing now, we would be calling it a world war
- The chaos was triggered by US and Israel's choice to attack Iran, not by an imminent Iranian threat
- One-fifth of all oil supplies flow through the Strait of Hormuz, which Iran has now shut down
" Iran at the moment is whacking off missiles at a fairly sizable number of places in one of the most volatile regions of the world. If that was Russia doing that today, we would basically be saying that this is now a world war. "
" It's chaos which has been triggered by the US and Israel's actions. This was not happening last week. "
Pete Hegseth's Dismissal of International Law
The discussion focuses on US Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth's shocking statements rejecting international institutions and rules of engagement. His rhetoric represents a fundamental rejection of the post-World War II international order, with potentially catastrophic implications. The hosts are particularly alarmed by his description of all rules of engagement as "stupid" and his dismissal of "so-called international institutions," which undermines the entire framework that has governed warfare since the Middle Ages.
- Hegseth said 'regardless of what so-called international institutions say,' essentially telling the UN and Europe to 'fuck off'
- Hegseth declared 'no stupid rules of engagement' - rejecting frameworks that have governed warfare since the Middle Ages
- Rules of engagement have existed since medieval times through chivalry, Nuremberg trials, and Geneva Conventions
- Trump insulted traditional allies in interviews with British right-wing media, attacking Keir Starmer for not being sufficiently supportive
" Regardless of what so-called international institutions say. So that's a way of saying, all you lot bleating on or clutching pearls about international law, we don't give a shit, okay? "
" No stupid rules of engagement. I'm pretty sure that in the UK, we'll come on to why Keir Starmer said he wouldn't take part in this first phase of this. I'm pretty sure you have to have clear rules of engagement. "
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