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Alistair Campbell and Rory Stewart discuss the stunning defeat of Viktor Orbán in Hungary's election, local elections in the UK including Scotland and Wales, the challenges of combating populism, and lessons for defeating authoritarian-leaning leaders. They analyze how Péter Magyar won despite a rigged system, what this means for Europe and Ukraine, and how similar tactics could work against Reform UK and other populist movements.
Hungary's Historic Election: Magyar Defeats Orbán
Péter Magyar achieved a stunning victory over Viktor Orbán, ending 16 years of increasingly authoritarian rule in Hungary. Despite Orbán controlling the media, judiciary, and electoral boundaries, Magyar visited 95% of parishes across Hungary and won with such a margin that he secured a two-thirds supermajority. The victory is significant not just for Hungary but globally, as Orbán had become the cheerleader for right-wing populism worldwide, funding parties like Marine Le Pen's and hosting conferences for MAGA supporters.
- Magyar visited 327 towns 517 times and 161 out of 174 parishes during the campaign, sometimes visiting 6-9 towns in a single day
- Orbán had rigged the system over 16 years by capturing the judiciary, gerrymandering districts, controlling media through subsidies, and creating corrupt oligarchs through government contracts
- Magyar won decisively despite Trump sending Vance and Rubio to support Orbán and Trump himself saying to vote for Orbán for a direct line to the White House
- Magyar stayed center-right throughout, refused to engage in culture war debates on LGBT issues, and maintained firm positions without being pushed into traps
" He didn't just win, he absolutely trounced him. "
" People thought that it was going to be very difficult to defeat him. "
" You don't win people over to your side by telling them that they're wrong the whole time. "
How Magyar Won: Lessons in Defeating Populism
Magyar's victory provides crucial lessons for defeating populist authoritarians. He maintained a center-right position without getting dragged into culture wars, created new framing to bring back Orbán supporters, and ran an unconventional grassroots campaign when mainstream media was blocked. His success demonstrates that populists can be beaten, but it requires exceptional effort, strategic positioning, and the ability to give former populist supporters a dignified path back to mainstream politics.
- Magyar stayed firmly in the center and refused to get pushed into LGBT debates or claims that supporting Ukraine meant sending Hungarian kids to war
- He created new framing for why Orbán supporters could return to mainstream politics without being told they were wrong
- Civil society organizations kept calling out Orbán's actions throughout his rule, maintaining pressure even when it seemed hopeless
- Magyar's first statement emphasized Ukraine as victim of aggression and right to territorial integrity, directly contradicting Orbán's pro-Putin stance
" Everyone in Hungary knows that Ukraine is a victim of this war and no one should tell them under what conditions they should enter a peace or sign a peace treaty. We cannot tell any country to give up their territory. "
" If you just lie on the beach just let the water wash you up and down again you get very sandy but you don't think about Donald Trump. "
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