The Joe Rogan Experience
The Joe Rogan Experience

#2413 - Theo Von

November 18, 2025 • 3h 0m

Summary

⏱️ 14 min read

Overview

A wide-ranging 3+ hour conversation between Joe Rogan and Theo Von covering topics including government corruption, social media manipulation, international conflicts, technology's impact on society, personal struggles with connection and fame, health optimization, and speculation about humanity's future in an age of AI and surveillance.

Health Optimization and Red Light Therapy

The conversation opens with Joe noticing Theo's new glasses, which leads to a discussion about vision improvement through red light therapy and supplements. Joe explains how red light beds and specific vitamins like lutein have dramatically improved his vision, eliminating his need for reading glasses. The discussion touches on sauna protocols and how everyone online seems to have overly complicated routines for simple health practices.

  • Joe's vision improved dramatically from red light therapy, no longer needs reading glasses
  • Pure Encapsulations makes a formulation called Macular Support that helps with vision
  • Red light therapy combined with vitamins like lutein are the key factors for vision improvement
" Fuck all that, dude. Everybody's an online guru. Everything they watch, it's like they think you're trying to get in the Olympics. It's like, bitch, I'm just trying to fucking get to work. "

Post Office Decline and Privatization

Theo shares a bizarre story about visiting a post office where two crows were fighting over a package while an employee tried to spray them with Lysol. This leads to a broader discussion about whether government services like the post office should be privatized, with Joe defending the post office's unique role in delivering live chicks and providing affordable mail service, while acknowledging its imperfections.

  • Theo witnessed two crows fighting over a package in a post office while staff tried to spray them away
  • The post office is the only service that can ship live baby chicks because they know how to keep them alive
  • Post office delivers mail for about 30 cents, much cheaper than private alternatives
" We're fucked, man. That's biblical, right? Two crows fighting over a fucking package in the post office. "

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