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Joe Rogan sits down with actress Cheryl Hines for a wide-ranging conversation covering her experiences with politics through her husband Bobby Kennedy Jr.'s presidential campaign, Hollywood groupthink, conspiracy theories, the dark side of power, and navigating public scrutiny. They discuss everything from praying mantises and radiation exposure to pharmaceutical corruption, election integrity, and the military-industrial complex, while reflecting on how political involvement has transformed their perspectives on media, free speech, and what it means to stay authentic in a polarized world.
Hollywood vs Politics: A Crash Course in Reality
Cheryl reflects on being thrust into the political arena when Bobby Kennedy Jr. ran for president, revealing how the entertainment industry's competitive nature pales in comparison to the viciousness of political campaigns. She describes the constant attacks, deliberate misinformation, and coordinated efforts to destroy candidates through any means necessary. The experience opened her eyes to how politics operates as a brutal sport where truth takes a backseat to winning, and how those involved celebrate getting false narratives picked up by media outlets as daily victories.
- Joe thought of Cheryl immediately when Bobby announced his presidential run because he knew she wasn't built for the brutal nature of politics
- Trump is the only person Joe has met who survives constant attacks and remains exactly the same
- Both the right and left have cult-like extremes that keep everyone fired up
- Politics is uniquely vicious - people will tear you down even if you're in their own party
- Cheryl experienced a feeling of doom when Bobby decided to run for president
" Trump is the only person I've ever met that somehow or another survives it and seems exactly the same. But most people who are attacked like that, it's just like it is a natural human instinct when you are rejected by your tribe to feel terrified and filled with anxiety. "
" That is the really strange thing about politics that I'm still getting used to, is they will viciously attack each other. And then a minute later in the hallway, it's like, hey, how's it going? And I'm still in shock. You know, I'm still angry about what just happened in there. And they're already over it. "
Medical Establishment and Pharmaceutical Corruption
The conversation shifts to how the pandemic fundamentally changed perspectives on institutional authority, particularly regarding vaccines and pharmaceutical companies. Joe describes his personal experience being attacked by media for sharing his COVID recovery protocol, which made him question everything he'd previously accepted about medical authorities. They discuss Bobby Kennedy Jr.'s work exposing pharmaceutical corruption, the revolving door between regulators and industry, and the Sackler family's role in the opioid crisis as examples of how profit motives corrupt healthcare.
- Joe was firmly on the side of science before the pandemic but changed his views when experts lied about him during COVID
- Reading Bobby's book 'The Real Anthony Fauci' revealed patterns of suppressing alternative medications and promoting profitable drugs
- Bobby spent his career suing corporations for polluting waterways and causing cancer, making accusations that he wants to harm people illogical
- The Sackler family's OxyContin scandal shows how pharmaceutical companies knowingly created the opioid epidemic
- There's a revolving door between the FDA and pharmaceutical companies where regulators get lucrative jobs after approving drugs
" I firmly believe that when you have this sort of a visceral reaction to any sort of a subject like that without a rational examining of what is objective truth. When you have that visceral reaction, something's happened. You've been co-opted. There's a thought in your head that you can't question this or you'll be ostracized. "
" You're not allowed to talk about the experience they had or ask why it happened or, you know, let people talk to each other to see if they have shared experiences that can lead us to something better. It's crazy. It's crazy. And it shouldn't be accepted. We shouldn't communicate like that. "
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