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#2452 - Roger Avary

February 11, 2026 • 3h 11m

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Overview

Roger Avery joins Joe Rogan for a wide-ranging conversation exploring filmmaking, technology, and controversial topics. The discussion moves from classic cinema and directors like Orson Welles and Ridley Scott to conspiracy theories about 9/11, Jeffrey Epstein, and even flat Earth theory. Avery shares insights on the evolution of filmmaking from analog to digital, discusses his new AI film production company, and delves into esoteric topics including predictive programming in movies, occult symbolism, and the nature of reality itself.

Classic Hollywood and the Evolution of Cinema

The conversation begins with an exploration of classic Hollywood moments and behind-the-scenes stories, including William Shatner's famous pronunciation disputes and Orson Welles' wine commercials. Avery provides fascinating context about Citizen Kane and how Orson Welles revolutionized filmmaking with innovative camera techniques that were decades ahead of their time, despite being shut down by powerful figures like William Randolph Hearst after making the film.

  • Discussion of classic Hollywood outtakes including the 'do it live' rant and William Shatner's 'sabotage' pronunciation argument
  • Orson Welles' Citizen Kane was made in 1941 and featured revolutionary camera techniques including digging holes in studio floors to achieve low angles
  • The 'Rosebud' reference in Citizen Kane was allegedly a nickname for William Randolph Hearst's girlfriend's clitoris
  • Orson Welles' career was essentially shut down by Hearst after making Citizen Kane, robbing cinema of many potential films
" When you get three vampires in a flat obviously there's going to be a lot of tension "

The Shift from Film to Digital Cinema

Avery offers a detailed critique of how the transition from film to digital has fundamentally changed the filmmaking process, arguing that digital cinema has diminished the creative process despite its technical advantages. He explains how shooting on film created urgency and intentionality, while digital allows for endless takes that dilute the 'magic' of capturing performances. The discussion reveals how technology has both democratized and arguably degraded the art form.

  • Film required careful preparation because every frame cost money, creating urgency and focus on set
  • Digital allows continuous rolling and video village setups where executives can watch and interfere in real-time
  • Netflix provides white papers dictating technical specs and story beats, reducing creative freedom
  • Lens flare is now deliberately used in digital cinematography to create the illusion of depth where flatness exists
" Every time you turn on the camera, you're burning money. It's like every single frame is like four cents or whatever. And so that was actually an expensive part of the process. And so there was all this preparation to get everything ready. "

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