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The Joe Rogan Experience

#2490 - RZA

April 28, 2026 • 2h 57m

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⏱️ 14 min read

Overview

The RZA joins Joe Rogan for an extensive conversation covering martial arts philosophy, health practices, the creative process behind his new film 'One Spoon of Chocolate,' personal transformation, technology's impact on society, and the hidden costs of modern life. They discuss everything from cold plunges and meditation to conflict minerals, artificial intelligence, and the value of human experience in an increasingly digital world.

Martial Arts, Health Practices, and Personal Discipline

The conversation opens with RZA and Joe discussing the design of Joe's bar and comedy club by the same architect. They dive deep into health routines, with RZA asking about Joe's continued use of cold plunges and sensory deprivation tanks. Both share their commitment to daily exercise and how it affects mental clarity, with Joe emphasizing that even two days without working out makes him feel antsy and irritated. They explore the philosophy that exercise isn't just physical maintenance but essential for mental health and processing anxiety.

  • Richard Weiss designed both Joe's Flying Guillotine bar and the Mothership comedy club
  • Joe still uses hyperbaric chambers and discusses the importance of maintaining wellness practices as you evolve
  • Both agree that going just 2-3 days without exercise creates feelings of anxiety and mental fog
  • Your mind needs exercise to blow off steam, stretch out, and recenter yourself
" Your mind, not just your body, but your mind needs that. You need to blow out some steam and run the machine and stretch it out and relax it afterwards and recenter yourself. And if you don't do that, you're going to be anxious. "
" I feel like human beings are almost like batteries like you're storing energy all the time. But if you've got too much energy, it's leaking out of the battery. You've got to purge some of it. "

Martial Arts Philosophy and the Nature of Fighting

RZA and Joe explore the deeper meaning of martial arts training beyond physical combat. RZA shares wisdom from his Shifu about how martial arts develops consciousness across multiple planes of energy. They discuss the reality that actual fighting is different from martial arts training, touching on the importance of will and survival instinct. The conversation includes a memorable exchange about extreme fighting techniques like eye-gouging and the philosophical question of whether one could actually inflict such harm.

  • Martial arts training operates on seven planes of energy or five stages of consciousness, not just three dimensions
  • RZA's Shifu says he can't teach people how to fight because a real fight is about will and survival, not technique
  • In no-rules fights, techniques like eye-gouging are devastatingly effective but require crossing a moral line
  • Bruce Lee practiced the art of not fighting - running away is often the wisest choice
" A fight is a fight. I don't care which, I don't care. You know, if you're the best boxer in the world that knock motherfuckers out, like Mike Tyson, who wasn't just that he was a fighter, he was a fighter. Of course he had a skill set and he was well-trained. But in the peak of his fights, I don't care how much somebody else trained, when he got in the ring to fight, they weren't better fighters. "
" It's not easy for your spirit to do it. You see what I mean? It's evil. So that's a whole other chamber. It's like, yo, will you do it? Will you blind a man? "

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