The Joe Rogan Experience
The Joe Rogan Experience

#2497 - Gad Saad

May 12, 2026 • 2h 42m

Summary

⏱️ 10 min read

Overview

Professor Gad Saad discusses his new book 'Suicidal Empathy' with Joe Rogan, exploring how misplaced empathy and ideological thinking can undermine Western values and security. The conversation covers Islamic extremism, Middle Eastern conflicts, immigration policy, identity politics, and the balance between compassion and pragmatic self-interest. Saad announces his permanent move to the University of Mississippi and reflects on threats he's faced for criticizing radical Islam.

Introduction and Big Life Changes

Gad Saad opens the podcast by announcing two major developments: the release of his new book 'Suicidal Empathy' and his permanent relocation to the University of Mississippi. He explains the concept of suicidal empathy using the metaphor of a wood cricket parasitized by a brain hairworm, which hijacks the insect's survival instincts. This biological parallel sets the stage for discussing how parasitic ideas can similarly hijack human reasoning and emotional responses, particularly around sensitive cultural and political topics.

  • Gad Saad announces the release of his book 'Suicidal Empathy' and his permanent move to University of Mississippi
  • He received an EB1A 'extraordinary visa' and green card to move to the U.S.
  • The wood cricket metaphor: parasites can hijack survival instincts, just as bad ideas can hijack human reasoning
" Suicidal empathy. It's a quote that we use all the time. It is a good quote, and it is a very accurate quote for the times. "

The Parasitic Mind Framework

Saad explains how his previous book 'The Parasitic Mind' addressed cognitive hijacking, while this new work focuses on emotional hijacking through empathy. He describes humans as both thinking and feeling animals, arguing that to completely zombify someone, you must hijack both systems. Using advertising examples, he illustrates how different products require engaging either cognitive or affective systems, establishing the theoretical foundation for understanding suicidal empathy.

  • The Parasitic Mind dealt with hijacking cognitive systems through bad ideas
  • Suicidal Empathy focuses on hijacking the affective (emotional) system
  • Advertisers understand this: sell mutual funds with logic, perfume with emotion
" In order for the Americans to go and be the policeman of everywhere in the world. But let's contrast it, say, with when World War II was about to happen, the appeasement strategy of Chamberlain, right? This guy with the little mustache says, don't worry about it. "

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