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#2500 - Scott Horton

May 15, 2026 • 2h 41m

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Overview

Scott Horton, a foreign policy expert and author, discusses America's wars in the Middle East, particularly the recent conflict with Iran and the ongoing Ukraine situation. He provides detailed historical context on U.S. interventions, NATO expansion, the Israel lobby's influence on American foreign policy, and argues that the U.S. empire is both unsustainable and counterproductive to American interests.

Media Evolution and the Death of Broadcast Television

The conversation opens with a discussion about how podcasting has completely transformed media consumption and legitimacy. What was once seen as amateur basement broadcasting has now overtaken traditional television in credibility and reach, while TV has become a dying format plagued by commercials, editorial interference, and declining viewership.

  • Broadcast television is now a hindrance - people only see clips on X or YouTube
  • Executives control content, requiring breaks every seven minutes, preventing depth
  • Podcasting was initially seen as illegitimate compared to radio, but that has completely reversed
  • Radio shows with no commercials, just donations, provide minimal income despite large transmitter reach

The New World Order Theory and Neoconservative Origins

Horton explains his evolution from believing in New World Order conspiracy theories to understanding that U.S. foreign policy is about American empire, not building a UN world government. He traces the origins of the neoconservative movement and the Wolfowitz Doctrine that has guided U.S. military intervention since the fall of the Soviet Union.

  • The New World Order theory claimed U.S. policy aimed to build one world government under the UN
  • The Iraq War proved this wrong - it was about Washington D.C. as world government, not the UN
  • The Wolfowitz Doctrine (1992) stated the U.S. would dominate every continent and prevent any rival alliance from forming
  • Neoconservatives are a cross between the Israel lobby and the military industrial complex
" At the end of the day, there is no actual world state to enforce that law other than just the United States of America. But there is no one world army, one world police force to enforce these things. "
" Too many people would have to sacrifice the power they do have to somebody else when they don't have to. And money. "

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